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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I think this sucks.  When I went to college I wondered what credit cards were, since my parents never had one.  They were poor, and had almost no credit.  So I educated myself, and saw a loophole that I then exploited.

The credit companies were happy to give me a piddly $500 credit card, with no proof of anything. (The fact that student loans counted as &quot;income&quot; on the forms made me look rich.)  I then proceeded to *yoink* run off with my student loan check from the bursars the first day they were available, and deposit it with the credit card company as a payment (so I had a positive balance).  A week later, I&#039;d wander back to the bursars and pay my bill with my credit card.

By my second year, I had enough credit that I could take the check and hand them the card (which they still didn&#039;t like).  And by time I graduated, I had a gold card, lots of credit, and a great credit score.  It made life a lot easier right out of school, especially since I had $60K in student loans at the time and otherwise would have never gotten credit from anywhere.

With the current law in place? I&#039;d have been SOL trying to get any credit, and would have probably still had 0 credit history exiting college.  In essence this makes it harder for poor college kids to build up their credit.  And I&#039;m so happy they&#039;re protecting college kids from debt!  I mean, that two or three grand in credit card debt could ruin you! Especially on top of the $10K to $90K you&#039;ll have in student loans you&#039;ll have right out of college (public vs private).  Really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think this sucks.  When I went to college I wondered what credit cards were, since my parents never had one.  They were poor, and had almost no credit.  So I educated myself, and saw a loophole that I then exploited.</p>
<p>The credit companies were happy to give me a piddly $500 credit card, with no proof of anything. (The fact that student loans counted as &#8220;income&#8221; on the forms made me look rich.)  I then proceeded to *yoink* run off with my student loan check from the bursars the first day they were available, and deposit it with the credit card company as a payment (so I had a positive balance).  A week later, I&#8217;d wander back to the bursars and pay my bill with my credit card.</p>
<p>By my second year, I had enough credit that I could take the check and hand them the card (which they still didn&#8217;t like).  And by time I graduated, I had a gold card, lots of credit, and a great credit score.  It made life a lot easier right out of school, especially since I had $60K in student loans at the time and otherwise would have never gotten credit from anywhere.</p>
<p>With the current law in place? I&#8217;d have been SOL trying to get any credit, and would have probably still had 0 credit history exiting college.  In essence this makes it harder for poor college kids to build up their credit.  And I&#8217;m so happy they&#8217;re protecting college kids from debt!  I mean, that two or three grand in credit card debt could ruin you! Especially on top of the $10K to $90K you&#8217;ll have in student loans you&#8217;ll have right out of college (public vs private).  Really?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Harr @ Wealth...Uncomplicated</title>
		<link>http://poorerthanyou.com/2009/05/20/credit-card-reform-treats-college-students-like-babies/#comment-74520</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Harr @ Wealth...Uncomplicated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Laura - Don&#039;t forget that regardless of credit history, ALL prospective college students who have not previously defaulted on a federal Stafford loan are eligible to receive one.  In addition, there are plenty of financing options available through states, educational institutions, and others.  It is not and has not been a problem for any student to get a college education in the last couple of decades.  The myth that college is out of reach has been out there for a great while, but it simply isn&#039;t true and hasn&#039;t been true for a long time.

This doesn&#039;t mean to say that any student can attend any college/university they choose.  Rather, they have access to quality institutions that are under a certain level of cost--typically in-state schools.  While one can argue that access to all schools should be available, it ultimately doesn&#039;t matter for undergrad with a few exceptions.

As for being approved for a place to live, the workaround for this is simple--cash deposit.  Just because someone has bad credit, it doesn&#039;t mean that they are suddenly homeless.  It just means that the landlord or lessor needs more security up front in the form of a cash deposit.

Based on your comment, I can only make a quick assessment that you were responsible financially early, took out student loans above the Stafford limits, and attended an institution that was more expensive than a state school or didn&#039;t work while going to school to offset the additional cost.  Regardless of your path, you presumably ended with a degree.  

Even with this bill, it is unlikely that anyone will be denied a degree, but the path will likely change a little bit compared to when you went through school.  The path will now involve more cost/benefit analysis from prospective students and perceived sacrifices in educational quality.  I say perceived because unless you are attending a major name college/university, it is unlikely that the name of the institution on the diploma will matter.  It&#039;s the completion of a degree program that matters to employers and after one has attained a certain level of experience, the degree&#039;s importance is significantly diminished.

While I agree that this bill is...well...lacking, I don&#039;t foresee any type of problem for prospective collegiates.  Besides, with Obama&#039;s stimulus, a $2,500 tax CREDIT is already available making the current federal aid package the most attractive it&#039;s ever been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Laura &#8211; Don&#8217;t forget that regardless of credit history, ALL prospective college students who have not previously defaulted on a federal Stafford loan are eligible to receive one.  In addition, there are plenty of financing options available through states, educational institutions, and others.  It is not and has not been a problem for any student to get a college education in the last couple of decades.  The myth that college is out of reach has been out there for a great while, but it simply isn&#8217;t true and hasn&#8217;t been true for a long time.</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t mean to say that any student can attend any college/university they choose.  Rather, they have access to quality institutions that are under a certain level of cost&#8211;typically in-state schools.  While one can argue that access to all schools should be available, it ultimately doesn&#8217;t matter for undergrad with a few exceptions.</p>
<p>As for being approved for a place to live, the workaround for this is simple&#8211;cash deposit.  Just because someone has bad credit, it doesn&#8217;t mean that they are suddenly homeless.  It just means that the landlord or lessor needs more security up front in the form of a cash deposit.</p>
<p>Based on your comment, I can only make a quick assessment that you were responsible financially early, took out student loans above the Stafford limits, and attended an institution that was more expensive than a state school or didn&#8217;t work while going to school to offset the additional cost.  Regardless of your path, you presumably ended with a degree.  </p>
<p>Even with this bill, it is unlikely that anyone will be denied a degree, but the path will likely change a little bit compared to when you went through school.  The path will now involve more cost/benefit analysis from prospective students and perceived sacrifices in educational quality.  I say perceived because unless you are attending a major name college/university, it is unlikely that the name of the institution on the diploma will matter.  It&#8217;s the completion of a degree program that matters to employers and after one has attained a certain level of experience, the degree&#8217;s importance is significantly diminished.</p>
<p>While I agree that this bill is&#8230;well&#8230;lacking, I don&#8217;t foresee any type of problem for prospective collegiates.  Besides, with Obama&#8217;s stimulus, a $2,500 tax CREDIT is already available making the current federal aid package the most attractive it&#8217;s ever been.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://poorerthanyou.com/2009/05/20/credit-card-reform-treats-college-students-like-babies/#comment-74508</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This bill is going to make it extremely difficult for some children to get an education. My parents have always had horrible credit and if I hadn&#039;t worked so hard to develop a good credit line as soon as I turned 18, I wouldn&#039;t have been able to get loans to go to school or get approved for a place to live.  Especially with all the recession related credit troubles, many young adults have parents with poor credit history or parents that are wary of adding any debt to their credit report. How are these young adults supposed to afford increased tuition with such limited access to credit? This bill will only increase the number of children without the means to receive an education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This bill is going to make it extremely difficult for some children to get an education. My parents have always had horrible credit and if I hadn&#8217;t worked so hard to develop a good credit line as soon as I turned 18, I wouldn&#8217;t have been able to get loans to go to school or get approved for a place to live.  Especially with all the recession related credit troubles, many young adults have parents with poor credit history or parents that are wary of adding any debt to their credit report. How are these young adults supposed to afford increased tuition with such limited access to credit? This bill will only increase the number of children without the means to receive an education.</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly Huddle: Week 1 Edition &#124; Emory James dot Com</title>
		<link>http://poorerthanyou.com/2009/05/20/credit-card-reform-treats-college-students-like-babies/#comment-74302</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly Huddle: Week 1 Edition &#124; Emory James dot Com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 12:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Credit Card Reform Treats College Students Like Babies? (@Poorer Than You) - Agree that in order to become financially aware you need personal experience and responsibility. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Credit Card Reform Treats College Students Like Babies? (@Poorer Than You) &#8211; Agree that in order to become financially aware you need personal experience and responsibility. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: S Hunter</title>
		<link>http://poorerthanyou.com/2009/05/20/credit-card-reform-treats-college-students-like-babies/#comment-74194</link>
		<dc:creator>S Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 19:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Credit Counseling classes should be mandatory in high school.  Wording on these forms are completely confusing and need to be explained in layman&#039;s terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Credit Counseling classes should be mandatory in high school.  Wording on these forms are completely confusing and need to be explained in layman&#8217;s terms.</p>
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		<title>By: Olivia @Independent Beginnings</title>
		<link>http://poorerthanyou.com/2009/05/20/credit-card-reform-treats-college-students-like-babies/#comment-74011</link>
		<dc:creator>Olivia @Independent Beginnings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 15:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a good point.  I am sure some parents will bail their children out over and over again.  However, I don&#039;t think it is bad for the parents to bail their children out once.  If they use the opportunity to teach their children a lesson and warn them that next time they will not bail them out, then I think this can be quite useful.  I am sure people will abuse it, though.  There are definitely pros and cons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a good point.  I am sure some parents will bail their children out over and over again.  However, I don&#8217;t think it is bad for the parents to bail their children out once.  If they use the opportunity to teach their children a lesson and warn them that next time they will not bail them out, then I think this can be quite useful.  I am sure people will abuse it, though.  There are definitely pros and cons.</p>
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		<title>By: MK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that education has more to do with it than age.  Maybe they should have included manditory classes in highschool on finance and how credit cards and credit in general really works!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that education has more to do with it than age.  Maybe they should have included manditory classes in highschool on finance and how credit cards and credit in general really works!</p>
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		<title>By: hustler</title>
		<link>http://poorerthanyou.com/2009/05/20/credit-card-reform-treats-college-students-like-babies/#comment-74005</link>
		<dc:creator>hustler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 02:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was 25ish when I got my credit card.  Everything went pretty good for a while.  I paid it off every month never carried a balance.  Then, for some reason, I started using it for everything just to get the cash back.  A couple months went by where I only paid the minimum and boom!  I maxed it out.  I have great will power but somehow, I am just not a credit card person.  Can&#039;t control myself.  I don&#039;t think it has anything to do with age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was 25ish when I got my credit card.  Everything went pretty good for a while.  I paid it off every month never carried a balance.  Then, for some reason, I started using it for everything just to get the cash back.  A couple months went by where I only paid the minimum and boom!  I maxed it out.  I have great will power but somehow, I am just not a credit card person.  Can&#8217;t control myself.  I don&#8217;t think it has anything to do with age.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 00:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thoughts, Stephanie.  I had been under the impression that the major drive behind this legislation (or at least, the restrictions on those who are under 21) was to prevent situations where credit card companies would offer cards to college students, with the assumption that, should the students be unable to pay off the bill, the parents will gladly step in to prevent their children from being saddled with debt and a bad credit score.  Frankly, I don&#039;t think these qualifications are any different than those for us above 21; if I can&#039;t prove that I can repay the debt I accrue (by showing I have a regular job with adequate income, for example), I have to get someone to cosign my credit application.

Now, it is true that parents don&#039;t always act in the best interest of their children, and that sometimes children turn eighteen and have to repair their finances.  But preventing that from happening would require more in-depth legislation than exists in this particular law.  Frankly, I&#039;m not sure how exactly we&#039;d go about legislating against just plain bad parenting; but I doubt it would be easy.

Also, because this is the first time I&#039;m seeing it, nice looking redesigned site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thoughts, Stephanie.  I had been under the impression that the major drive behind this legislation (or at least, the restrictions on those who are under 21) was to prevent situations where credit card companies would offer cards to college students, with the assumption that, should the students be unable to pay off the bill, the parents will gladly step in to prevent their children from being saddled with debt and a bad credit score.  Frankly, I don&#8217;t think these qualifications are any different than those for us above 21; if I can&#8217;t prove that I can repay the debt I accrue (by showing I have a regular job with adequate income, for example), I have to get someone to cosign my credit application.</p>
<p>Now, it is true that parents don&#8217;t always act in the best interest of their children, and that sometimes children turn eighteen and have to repair their finances.  But preventing that from happening would require more in-depth legislation than exists in this particular law.  Frankly, I&#8217;m not sure how exactly we&#8217;d go about legislating against just plain bad parenting; but I doubt it would be easy.</p>
<p>Also, because this is the first time I&#8217;m seeing it, nice looking redesigned site.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Harr @ Wealth...Uncomplicated</title>
		<link>http://poorerthanyou.com/2009/05/20/credit-card-reform-treats-college-students-like-babies/#comment-74003</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Harr @ Wealth...Uncomplicated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 00:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stephanie - There is little doubt that age doesn&#039;t equate to education and I doubt seriously that these measures will curb credit card problems for young people.  The best parts of the bill were in the elimination of fees for payments, reduction of balance based on highest APR first, and the 60 day &#039;grace period&#039; before hiking rates.  Even though these are good measures, the bill fails miserably when viewed through the lens of financial literacy and personal responsibility.  

Adding an age requirement is foolish and I&#039;m sure the credit card companies will be laughing all the way to the bank.  Since co-signers will be required, they will be better able to collect in the end.  I can see a scenario playing out thousands of times over under these new regulations where student gets card, student changes the address and phone number, tells parents the card doesn&#039;t exist, card gets maxed out, and poof...we&#039;re exactly where we are today.  Of course, by the time the unlucky co-signer finds out, the account is past due has a huge balance, sky high interest rate, and a healthy dose of fees to boot.

I hate government regulation about as much as credit card companies.  There were some steps forward, but just as many back in this legislation.  Leave to Congress to step in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stephanie &#8211; There is little doubt that age doesn&#8217;t equate to education and I doubt seriously that these measures will curb credit card problems for young people.  The best parts of the bill were in the elimination of fees for payments, reduction of balance based on highest APR first, and the 60 day &#8216;grace period&#8217; before hiking rates.  Even though these are good measures, the bill fails miserably when viewed through the lens of financial literacy and personal responsibility.  </p>
<p>Adding an age requirement is foolish and I&#8217;m sure the credit card companies will be laughing all the way to the bank.  Since co-signers will be required, they will be better able to collect in the end.  I can see a scenario playing out thousands of times over under these new regulations where student gets card, student changes the address and phone number, tells parents the card doesn&#8217;t exist, card gets maxed out, and poof&#8230;we&#8217;re exactly where we are today.  Of course, by the time the unlucky co-signer finds out, the account is past due has a huge balance, sky high interest rate, and a healthy dose of fees to boot.</p>
<p>I hate government regulation about as much as credit card companies.  There were some steps forward, but just as many back in this legislation.  Leave to Congress to step in it.</p>
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